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Rose petals/hips instead of lemon?
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:35 pm
by Fungo
Hello. I have a beautiful rose tree (Rosa rubiginosa) and try to avoid lemon. So, I wonder if rose petals/hips could be used instead, as it seems there is higher ascorbic acid content in rose than in citrics. Also I feel there may be more "affinity" between amanita and the cordial tonic rose effect.
I tried a rose petals tincture made by a friend of mine a couple years ago and remember it feels soothing. Maybe a mixture of the two tinctures (AM and rose petals) at a certain degree could trigger further conversion of ibotenic acid into muscimol...
Could it be so, or is this ungrounded speculation?
Re: Rose petals/hips instead of lemon?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:53 pm
by Donn
It seems to depend on the importance of ascorbic acid in the conversion.
It's a new one on me, I don't know where you got that from. I've encountered people who thought ascorbic acid might be why lemons are sour; it isn't, they're sour primarily because of citric acid.
The issue with conversion is, again as far as I know, a simple matter of pH, i.e. acidity. It isn't essential - you'll get some conversion at neutral pH - but making it more acidic calls for simple acids like citric acid, which you can get in refined form if you don't like lemons. Or acetic acid, i.e. vinegar.
Ascorbic acid could work, but it will take a lot more, because while it is somewhat sour, it isn't as potent an acid as citric acid. I'm talking about a lot more than you could get out of some rose hips.
Re: Rose petals/hips instead of lemon?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:34 pm
by tgt1002
Its all about PH you get the ph low enough it will work
Re: Rose petals/hips instead of lemon?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:17 pm
by amanitadreamer
Fungo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:35 pm
Hello. I have a beautiful rose tree (Rosa rubiginosa) and try to avoid lemon. So, I wonder if rose petals/hips could be used instead, as it seems there is higher ascorbic acid content in rose than in citrics. Also I feel there may be more "affinity" between amanita and the cordial tonic rose effect.
I tried a rose petals tincture made by a friend of mine a couple years ago and remember it feels soothing. Maybe a mixture of the two tinctures (AM and rose petals) at a certain degree could trigger further conversion of ibotenic acid into muscimol...
Could it be so, or is this ungrounded speculation?
The pH has to be 3.2 or lower to convert. Or 3.6, can't remember ATM and don't remember where I put the paper. I suck at remembering numbers.