Fleece cultivation

[cavo]

Hello,
"Fleece" grows. Some are heavily sporulating and some are clean white. Why this happens?
Maybe someone could help me IDing, @Mcpato ,@fantanyl ,@Splinters and Shards , @stanley_haze ,
@T36 or anyone else still active with the fleece?
Has anyone new informarions about fleece effects?

[fantanyl]

Hello, ...

hey cavo, nice to have you here!

sorry for the late reply,
Of course i can't guarantee anything, but to me it looks like the fleece!
If its spreading extremly fast, it should definitly be the fleece.
if you arent sure if there are other organisms remaining, I'd do one or more additional transfers, try to take nothing apart from some of the little black spores with some sterile tweezers and transfer them into an as small as possible new jar with some of your barley or some other nutrient. Pressure cook the jar before inoculation and the inoculation is best done in an as sterile as possible location. Sterile is the safe side but if you have a good inoculant (pure looking spores) the fleece is so fast, it ourgrows any other organism anyway (usually).
It does best in a warm environment with good aeration and no light.

After that the next quest can beginn -- as you probably have already read out of the thread here and in other forums, it isnt very trivial to get the desired effect of the fleece or even to find out what the desired effect acutally is -- I still am not sure.
I still cant say if the description the don in his book can under any circumstances be realistic.
And its very hard to find any real description of the effects ..
I think there is some factor we dont know yet.
there are some good theorys, like you could need the right genotyp of fleece, or it might need the right nutrients to produce actives .. maybe it needs to live in symbiosis with some other organism like some lactobacillus species or even the actual amanita mycelium.
Maybe there is some reverse tollerance thing going on, maybe from person to person the effect being so dramatically different is the cause of the cryptic descriptions of the effect or maybe you have to be very sensitive to realise it ...
I hope you have very much patience
If you are interested i can share the infos i have collected from the web.
and i still have new plans for further experimentation with the fleece, but a lot of other stuff is going on right now, and i'm trying myself in a couple of other not as advanced experiments at the moment to learn more about microorganisms in general.
But if the interest is still there i am very looking forward to share my future projects and exchange experiences at this topic as this is still a highly interesting cutting edge and i believe there are a lot of secrets with a LOT of potential still remaining waiting to be unveiled

[cavo]

Thank you for responding @fantanyl !

I did not get a notification for a reply on this subject, thats why i am responding late, sorry

I made an additional transfer but had much contamination with green mold (Ttrichoderma?).
It was surely too cold for the Fleece to compete the contaminations.
I will discard these fleeces and have to "resurrect" some new.

I read Teeter´s book first and the described effects (and the assumed historical relevance) raised my interest in the Fleece.
But if the effects are weak like if one think it could be placebo effect, it would not be worth for me.
Having some other issues at the moment i neglected my experimentation with the fleece.

The few describtions of effects are differing and maybe you are right.
There are much examples of plants especially where geno- or chemotype is not visible but makes a great change (e.g Phalaris, Cannabis, ...).
I am not very sensitive to substances so i hope the effects will be strong enough.

Despite of that i somewhat believe it has some potential, too.

If you have some more information for me i would be content.

I have no respect for the English language.

[stanley_haze]

hi -

i haven't been here for some time now. i hope, everyone's doing alright and the living bread community is growing bigger.

mush love and happy new moon.

sh

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[csnap]

Hey I’m new here but wanted to say that I’m starting this endeavor myself. I have promising growth on an agar plate from AM that I found in the wild.
I made a post about my ambrosia attempt in a different thread, but am going to try growing on barley as well.
I’m skeptical this will have noticeable effects but I’m willing to try for the sake of experimentation.

Thanks to everyone who came before and shared all this knowledge.

[cavo]

Hey everyone,

could someone maybe explain/ summarize the effects of the fleece?
Maybe in comparison to Amanita caps or are the effects just the same?
What i read until now the effects differ a bit.

Greetings
Cavo

[stanley_haze]

hi -

i feel, muscimol is muscimol no matter if from AM or the fleece, anyhow, everytime i work with AM, i experience a certain kind of mystic, i cannot experience from the fleece. that might only be my personal imprint.

have you studied donald teether's 'amanita muscaria - herb of immortality' (available on archive.org as pdf and in other formats)?

mush love from pennsylvania,
SH

[stanley_haze]

Hello, ...

hey cavo, nice to have you here!


hello -

it's been a while. it's good to read news on the subject by other fellow fleecers

happy easter everyone.

if john m allegro with 'sacred mushroom and the cross' and donald teeter are correct, jesus is code for a mushroom cult around a group of people in the dead sea area (cumran!?) cultivating a fast growing fungus (or mucor, i prefer lifeform) that provided 'unlocking' of higher nervous circuits (neurogenic properties of fungi...) in the individual and become aware of O.G. GOD or: receive the devine frequency.

i have now worked with it for two years, sometimes more intensively, sometimes without care for it for months. there's another book on amanita muscaria, which states exactly what you have mentionend, fantanyl (which reminds me of fentanyl everytime i read your nickname - i assume, this one has been chosen for exactly this purpose - some might be open to that, some might not. i consider myself more or less open for 'the unseen' due to my family history and my past working in extreme conditions, so to say, my senses had been sensitized for a couple of decades. i come from a family of great hunters and i think, i can sense the same qualities in my brother who has no experience in the psychedelic (or entheogenic) field but perceives more of the spectrum than the visible. and i state, EVERY human can have these imprints, if only the nervous system and the education as well as nutritional habits are maintained in a way beneficial to these abilities. anyhow, here's the book.

https://archive.org/details/sacredmushr ... ew=theater

also: i 'stress' my fleece sometimes. sometimes on purpose. sometimes i forget it and it dries over four days, rather than a couple of hours in the dehydrator. sometimes in the hot heat of the sun, sometimes i leave it over night in the cold bavarian temps - the more stress, the tougher (stronger0 the effects.

i have so far not experienced any problems kidney, liver or any other organ wise. but i have been very active all my life and now eliminated most, yet not all 'uynhealthy' habits in my life. the fleece (as well as AM) shows me the path and i perceive light in a different way. almost like i can sense it. might be the rellection of a liquid's surfae on the wall or a lightbeam coming in from the side of an early commercial airplane flight. it appears, it makes me feel what's right and what's not right. we may choose each or anything between is alright. there is no wrong only consequences to what i'm doing and what i'm not doing. not exposing yourself to natural sunlight and mother earth barefoot or cold water baths, not doing these things, does not feel right for me anymore therefore, i'm performing these random things that way.
the 'matrix' is a nice place to navigate and be busy, but my meditation and my spiritual growth has gained way more meaning in my life. might be the age, as well, but the drastic changes over the past two years are clearly experienced. only by one individual walking this path, but i can never speak of anyone else, but me.

i have had deep connection with plants and animals, which, you, of course may have 'sober' and in a good mood if you're a woman, if you're a yogi, if you're a so called psychic and maybe i am parts of these (except for the woman , but, i have very well trained my female side lately) , but the fleece is strong. it let's you foretell the future, dream these lucid dreams and also rage at times (i have viking blood in my heritage - Amanita, the mushroom that makes the vikings berserk!). it's cetainly not for the 'duennhaeutigen', if you want to keep it in german.

anyhow, i've 'burned' it at about 500 degrees F for some time today, wrong setting. obviously it still works - it made me come back here and type way more than i had intended. it does that sometimes.

have great holidays. the resurrection mythology has a different quality ever since the work with the fungus has started.




sorry for the late reply,
Of course i can't guarantee anything, but to me it looks like the fleece!
If its spreading extremly fast, it should definitly be the fleece.
if you arent sure if there are other organisms remaining, I'd do one or more additional transfers, try to take nothing apart from some of the little black spores with some sterile tweezers and transfer them into an as small as possible new jar with some of your barley or some other nutrient. Pressure cook the jar before inoculation and the inoculation is best done in an as sterile as possible location. Sterile is the safe side but if you have a good inoculant (pure looking spores) the fleece is so fast, it ourgrows any other organism anyway (usually).
It does best in a warm environment with good aeration and no light.

After that the next quest can beginn -- as you probably have already read out of the thread here and in other forums, it isnt very trivial to get the desired effect of the fleece or even to find out what the desired effect acutally is -- I still am not sure.
I still cant say if the description the don in his book can under any circumstances be realistic.
And its very hard to find any real description of the effects ..
I think there is some factor we dont know yet.
there are some good theorys, like you could need the right genotyp of fleece, or it might need the right nutrients to produce actives .. maybe it needs to live in symbiosis with some other organism like some lactobacillus species or even the actual amanita mycelium.
Maybe there is some reverse tollerance thing going on, maybe from person to person the effect being so dramatically different is the cause of the cryptic descriptions of the effect or maybe you have to be very sensitive to realise it ...
I hope you have very much patience
If you are interested i can share the infos i have collected from the web.
and i still have new plans for further experimentation with the fleece, but a lot of other stuff is going on right now, and i'm trying myself in a couple of other not as advanced experiments at the moment to learn more about microorganisms in general.
But if the interest is still there i am very looking forward to share my future projects and exchange experiences at this topic as this is still a highly interesting cutting edge and i believe there are a lot of secrets with a LOT of potential still remaining waiting to be unveiled