The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

The Ambrosia Society was created by Don Teeter as a result of his research into Amanita Muscaria. They came to some very interesting conclusions although some of their work related to what they called 'the fleece' was later shown to be erroneous.
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Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Post by Mcpato » Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:53 pm

@fantanyl
That is DEFINITELY IT!!!

Yeah it does grow fast! So now the question is what do you want to do? That is a nice clean looking tuft of mold growing out of there! I would suggest that you 1) do whatever you want with it, but take a small amount of living fleece (seriously just tear off a small chunk of the hyphae) and put it on a new cooked (and cooled) batch of barley or rice or any grain. The mold will fully colonize it in almost a day, and it will just get thicker and thicker after a few days. I would let it go a full week until it turns black with spores, then let it air dry, you'll have an unlimited supply of very fast growing spores! For me, that is my ground zero. Unlimited spores. Unlimited potential. Time is your ally and your only real enemy here.

So many options!

Please tell us your ideas for what you want to do? Living bread? Ambrosia wine?

Good luck!!

Congrats again!
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Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Post by fantanyl » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:33 pm

thanks @Mcpato ! very happy about that!

ok i think thats a good idea, that cleaning up step, i think a second run with BRF and verm would be a good medium.
and yeah i have a lot of ideas i want to try
first a living bread, what do you suggest would be a good medium for eating it afterwards ? i think the rice would be better cooked and then grown over with the fleece ? what about wheat cernels ? (at home atm)
yeah and my main quest is definitly ambrosial wine, the grape juice is already at home yeeah
are you experienced with ambrosial wine ? because i never saw a dosage advice, i know it will vary in potency so extact dosage advices are not easy but approximatly ? do one need to drink a half liter or can one little glass be enough if its potent ?
yeah and i have a couple of other ideas too,
vor example growing it over coffee beans, grind and drink it as coffee.
or in one thread here in the forum i read about letting it grow over shisha tabak, thats interesting, it maybe could grow over pipe tobacco too, or even weed or datura leaves, soo many possibilitys
i´m interested in the fleece could have the ability to metabolise some alkaloids/other chemicals to maybe more potent alkaloids/other chemicals
i think here maybe the fleece could have huge potential too.
but thats all highly speculativ atm ...
but i heard of very interesting experiments with yeast to have this abillity, maybe the fleece has it too ...
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Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Post by fantanyl » Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:35 pm

thoughts ?
only fleece or contams and fleece ?
i did a non sterile test run on grape juice just to see if its really necessary to sterilize the liquid, because i hate sterilizing liquid medias with high sugar content, it caramelizes horrible every time i do it (pressure cooker) ... usually the myzel (other shrooms not the fleece) grows nevertheless but significantly slower if there is much caramelization, i think the fleece would do that too.
i think it should be possible to do it non sterile with a high succesrate simply because it grows so enormously fast - by the way this is day one after innoculation of the fleece spores, yeah i think no way any other molds are that fast but, u kno, safety first
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Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Post by Mcpato » Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:13 pm

fantanyl wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:35 pm
thoughts ?
only fleece or contams and fleece ?
i did a non sterile test run on grape juice just to see if its really necessary to sterilize the liquid, because i hate sterilizing liquid medias with high sugar content, it caramelizes horrible every time i do it (pressure cooker) ... usually the myzel (other shrooms not the fleece) grows nevertheless but significantly slower if there is much caramelization, i think the fleece would do that too.
i think it should be possible to do it non sterile with a high succesrate simply because it grows so enormously fast - by the way this is day one after innoculation of the fleece spores, yeah i think no way any other molds are that fast but, u kno, safety first
Honestly it looks great, like pure fleece! It can range slightly in colors from white, to black, to grey and brown. Seriously well done. That ambrosia will be done in less than a week I would expect. I've had hit and miss success using Don teeters method of decarbing over the stove with a double boiler and that could be due to so many reasons, from the ambrosia not being potent enough to me not going cooking long enough. I found that I preferred it raw, but the effects were more traditionally psychoactive when decarbed first.

The most potent ambrosia I made was in a small jar with orange juice. Not in any way pasturized or anything, from a concentrate can with regular tap water. It was just a fun experiment while I worked on other things. I set it and forgot about it for about 3 weeks. It grew very little fuzz on top, and under the surface of the juice it had grown a little more. That orange juice turned super acidic kinda like vinegar, but it has the distinct ambrosia acidity. That stuff lasted forever because, I kid you not, if I dipped my finger in, and just tasted it, it would quickly set to work. That batch was what really showed me how transdermal this stuff is. Equally potent transdermally as sublingually or orally. I actually never tried doing a larger batch of orange juice...
Idk why the orange juice was so much more potent. It's possible the citric acid already present had something to do with it, maybe decarboxylating the "ibotenic acid".

Btw I LOVE your coffee idea. You are getting the exact spirit of the possibilities here! Coffee grounds may be possible to work with here as well? All koji experiments would work with the fleece. Psychoactive food possibilities?! Lolol

Keep going my friend! I look forward to your experiences consuming the fleece. Remember to start slow! And taking it small amounts in consecutive days is even better, you'll see! There is definitely some type of reverse tolerance.

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Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Post by fantanyl » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:57 am

thanks @Mcpato !
really appreciate your experienced eye for the fleece and your opinion !
in the attachments is an update of today, i think now its a bit more unmistakeable the fleece, but i wasn´t really sure because its thin appearence, in all the pics you can find in the net on top of the ambrosial wine there is a thick fleece,
i thought about what are the the conditions for the fleece to grow thick, maybe more sugar in the medium -> more viscous medium -> better stability -> higher growth
or maybe with less sugar (or nutrients) the fleece has no need to "stretch his arms long" in the search for nutrients (in the verm and BRF experiments, the fleece grows less large in jars with additional sugar)
or maybe more air circulation could work
but this leads to the question if a thicker fleece is really advantageous for producing actives, or just a beautiful look ...

i´ll post future experiments

i´ll definitly try to replikate your experiment with orange juice, sounds interesting, maybe the citric acid or other componets are good precursers for ibotenic acid
but i´ll will try different juices anyway

also very interesting how you describe the effects, it gets more and more interesting,
reverse tolerance is an interesting phenomenom, the only other substance i know of which produces reverse tollerance is salvinorin A (fascinating stuff)

i think i´ll try first with the decarb method,
but i thought about why does the don decarb it in a double boiler ? i think it should work in an usual pot, too
it would be much more convenient, and you could decarb much larger batches at once.
did you try that sprinkeling sugar in the ambrosia while decarbing and watch this reaction method ?

for the coffee experiment, i think both, ground and unground could have advantages, i think there is a lower contam risk if the beans are unground, but then it could be slower

so much experiments for the future, looking very forward to share they with you !
and i wanted to thank you Mcpato, a year ago i first read about the fleece and since i read the book of teeter and all the posts in the ambrosia society section of this forum, and side by side with the don you are the greatest inspriration in this cutting edge sience ! your posts gave me the only real evidence all this stuff is actually legit and worth trying it!
cant tell about the ambrosia societys forum, because it was already down when i first heard about, i think there obviously would be great informations too, but on all the other drug forums, there is so much disbelieve, one could simply think thats all BS, here is the only place one can really talk about that.
the fleece derserves a much larger adience !
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Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Post by Mcpato » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:38 am

fantanyl wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:57 am
thanks @Mcpato !
really appreciate your experienced eye for the fleece and your opinion !
in the attachments is an update of today, i think now its a bit more unmistakeable the fleece, but i wasn´t really sure because its thin appearence, in all the pics you can find in the net on top of the ambrosial wine there is a thick fleece,
i thought about what are the the conditions for the fleece to grow thick, maybe more sugar in the medium -> more viscous medium -> better stability -> higher growth
or maybe with less sugar (or nutrients) the fleece has no need to "stretch his arms long" in the search for nutrients (in the verm and BRF experiments, the fleece grows less large in jars with additional sugar)
or maybe more air circulation could work
but this leads to the question if a thicker fleece is really advantageous for producing actives, or just a beautiful look ...

i´ll post future experiments

i´ll definitly try to replikate your experiment with orange juice, sounds interesting, maybe the citric acid or other componets are good precursers for ibotenic acid
but i´ll will try different juices anyway

also very interesting how you describe the effects, it gets more and more interesting,
reverse tolerance is an interesting phenomenom, the only other substance i know of which produces reverse tollerance is salvinorin A (fascinating stuff)

i think i´ll try first with the decarb method,
but i thought about why does the don decarb it in a double boiler ? i think it should work in an usual pot, too
it would be much more convenient, and you could decarb much larger batches at once.
did you try that sprinkeling sugar in the ambrosia while decarbing and watch this reaction method ?

for the coffee experiment, i think both, ground and unground could have advantages, i think there is a lower contam risk if the beans are unground, but then it could be slower

so much experiments for the future, looking very forward to share they with you !
and i wanted to thank you Mcpato, a year ago i first read about the fleece and since i read the book of teeter and all the posts in the ambrosia society section of this forum, and side by side with the don you are the greatest inspriration in this cutting edge sience ! your posts gave me the only real evidence all this stuff is actually legit and worth trying it!
cant tell about the ambrosia societys forum, because it was already down when i first heard about, i think there obviously would be great informations too, but on all the other drug forums, there is so much disbelieve, one could simply think thats all BS, here is the only place one can really talk about that.
the fleece derserves a much larger adience !
The double boiler is to keep the ambrosia from burning on the bottom. When I tried using higher temperatures for decarb it made the ambrosia taste almost metallic. I'm sure it changed it somehow. It tasted sorta burnt. I think it still worked but was a little weaker, but tbh its been a long time and I do not remember exactly how it went...

I really appreciate your kind words, and you are right that the fleece deserves a wider audience. It eventually will, but hopefully by then we'll have already unlocked all its secrets!

I see things like this mold is similar to a holy grail. Only a fool would ever even attempt to find it. And only a fool would ever find it, and by then, not so much a fool anymore. All I can say is everyone can see for themselves, but since most won't, this gift is reserved for the few.

Thank you for helping carry the torch forward my friend! Like I mentioned before, I'm not currently cultivating the fleece, but only because I plan to come back to it after some time so I can try some new experiments... I want to work with the fleece alchemically... I feel it deserves its own form of physical exaltation, and so I work towards "a great work" with this fleece.
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Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Post by fantanyl » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:12 pm

sooo,
i did a couple of tests with my first batches of ambrosia,
one with my first little batch only sat for 5 days or so.
this was far too less time and tasted not really different then just the original grape juice (decarbed in double boiler and diluited)
~200 ml before diluition and felt nothing which was distinguishable from placebo.
the second batch was 10 days old, also decarbed and diluited (one part ambrosia two parts water)
and ~ 400ml in one evenig
it tasted again like normal grape juice after decarbing (but before decarbing i tasted one sip and this was definitly much more sour then plain grape juice)
but again not really effects i could describe clear and could distinguish from placebo
i would describe it a bit like @EaglesNest did it a couple of posts ago

EagleNest wrote: "The actual “high” has always been inconsistent for me, if i had to express the effects for me in the least cryptic way it seems to give a sense of innate "knowing" or gnosis in the true sense of the word, like it amplifies meaning and symbolism to teach in a deeply personal way. Usually "teaching you to fish" as opposed to "giving you a fish to eat"

i think i understand now how you meant it.
i would also describe it more like a very diffuse state of mind "expandment of space for the thoughts" maybe (?), then the more classical inebration effect i expected, which is often described for the lower doses of the amanita experience
but my results are very inconclusive, because of the little experience and maybe wrong expectations for the effect.
the next batches (i prepared a couple of batches, some bigger, one with orange juice like @Mcpato ) i will definitly let them sit a lot longer, 3 or 4 weeks, this could also change the effect dramatically.

The decarbing process could also be the key, maybe i did it too long or too hot
but the sugar test like in the video of the don worked great, next time i´ll post some photos

also the growning conditions for the fleece change its apearance dramatically, maybe also the effects.
it is said it should be kept away from light, i thought this means no direct sunlight and a bit dark, but for the thickness of the fleece and a fluffy white appearance for a longer period of time before it gets darker, it´s necessary that there is complete darkness.

what i VERY appreciate at growing the fleece is that there is absolute no need to sterilise ANITHING
off course the vessels or jars or whatever should not be terrible dirty but i can open the jar and smell any time with no problem and can use the juice without extra pastorisation.
AND you can take the hole fleece after the process even with your unwashed bare hands and put it as it is on the surface of a new (same size or bigger) jar with also unpastorised juice, and no contamination!
this kind of fleece recycling process should lead to potenter batches, if the claims of the don are real that the grail gets stronger over time.
i think there was already the idea of a bioreactor in some thread of the ambrosia society section of this forum, but there is no need to get complex mechanisms, just a big jar. i´ll definitly post some cultivation photos next time, too :)

and @Mcpato if you plan to share your alchemical work with the fleece i would of course look very forward reading about it!
i´m also very interested in alchemical processes but its hard to find legit information about that kind of stuff ...
you mentioned earlyer you are studying alchemy, do you do it by yourself (with books etc) or are there actuall teachers one can find ? apart from the teachers of the forrest of course :D

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