Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:06 pm
@amanitadreamer
I'm afraid if there is a record of the scientific evaluation of the fleece it is for all intents and purposes lost to time. I've read about there actually being test results out there in forums like this one:
http://entheogen-network.com/forums/vie ... =31&t=7417
This is a long thread with a lot of back and forth arguments. The main problem, from what I have gathered, was that originally the Ambrosia Society adamantly claimed that the fleece was true Amanita Muscaria mycelium. A mycologist in the thread basically calls this bs, since AM mycelium can't be grown on top of grape juice, AND Its spore print is white. Fleece spores are black and grows quickly on grape juice. Then he claimed that the fleece's characteristics match most closely to that of some species of mucor. This is where the idea of the fleece being a mucor comes from. Teeter rejected the idea of the fleece being a mold, and it seems to me that this divided the community, since it really did appear that Teeter was denying the science. Throw in the fears associated with toxic mucors causing mucormycosis, then the subsequent death of Teeter, any momentum the ambrosia society had is gone.
In the ambrosia society forums I believe Teeter mentioned having a copy of lab results as well but if he ever posted them, again, I haven't been able to find them. It doesnt help that the ambrosia society is basically dead now. I can attest that the fleece, whatever the heck it is, has at least been safe to consume in any quantity I've tried, both cooked or raw. I feel like we've barely scratched the surface on what is possible with the fleece, and it would truly be a shame if the fleece fell away from our collective comsciousness, so I'll keep playing with it, and hopefully learn all its secrets! Lol!
I'm afraid if there is a record of the scientific evaluation of the fleece it is for all intents and purposes lost to time. I've read about there actually being test results out there in forums like this one:
http://entheogen-network.com/forums/vie ... =31&t=7417
This is a long thread with a lot of back and forth arguments. The main problem, from what I have gathered, was that originally the Ambrosia Society adamantly claimed that the fleece was true Amanita Muscaria mycelium. A mycologist in the thread basically calls this bs, since AM mycelium can't be grown on top of grape juice, AND Its spore print is white. Fleece spores are black and grows quickly on grape juice. Then he claimed that the fleece's characteristics match most closely to that of some species of mucor. This is where the idea of the fleece being a mucor comes from. Teeter rejected the idea of the fleece being a mold, and it seems to me that this divided the community, since it really did appear that Teeter was denying the science. Throw in the fears associated with toxic mucors causing mucormycosis, then the subsequent death of Teeter, any momentum the ambrosia society had is gone.
In the ambrosia society forums I believe Teeter mentioned having a copy of lab results as well but if he ever posted them, again, I haven't been able to find them. It doesnt help that the ambrosia society is basically dead now. I can attest that the fleece, whatever the heck it is, has at least been safe to consume in any quantity I've tried, both cooked or raw. I feel like we've barely scratched the surface on what is possible with the fleece, and it would truly be a shame if the fleece fell away from our collective comsciousness, so I'll keep playing with it, and hopefully learn all its secrets! Lol!