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Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:53 pm
by Mcpato
@fantanyl
That is DEFINITELY IT!!!

Yeah it does grow fast! So now the question is what do you want to do? That is a nice clean looking tuft of mold growing out of there! I would suggest that you 1) do whatever you want with it, but take a small amount of living fleece (seriously just tear off a small chunk of the hyphae) and put it on a new cooked (and cooled) batch of barley or rice or any grain. The mold will fully colonize it in almost a day, and it will just get thicker and thicker after a few days. I would let it go a full week until it turns black with spores, then let it air dry, you'll have an unlimited supply of very fast growing spores! For me, that is my ground zero. Unlimited spores. Unlimited potential. Time is your ally and your only real enemy here.

So many options!

Please tell us your ideas for what you want to do? Living bread? Ambrosia wine?

Good luck!!

Congrats again!

Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:33 pm
by fantanyl
thanks @Mcpato ! very happy about that!

ok i think thats a good idea, that cleaning up step, i think a second run with BRF and verm would be a good medium.
and yeah i have a lot of ideas i want to try
first a living bread, what do you suggest would be a good medium for eating it afterwards ? i think the rice would be better cooked and then grown over with the fleece ? what about wheat cernels ? (at home atm)
yeah and my main quest is definitly ambrosial wine, the grape juice is already at home yeeah
are you experienced with ambrosial wine ? because i never saw a dosage advice, i know it will vary in potency so extact dosage advices are not easy but approximatly ? do one need to drink a half liter or can one little glass be enough if its potent ?
yeah and i have a couple of other ideas too,
vor example growing it over coffee beans, grind and drink it as coffee.
or in one thread here in the forum i read about letting it grow over shisha tabak, thats interesting, it maybe could grow over pipe tobacco too, or even weed or datura leaves, soo many possibilitys
i´m interested in the fleece could have the ability to metabolise some alkaloids/other chemicals to maybe more potent alkaloids/other chemicals
i think here maybe the fleece could have huge potential too.
but thats all highly speculativ atm ...
but i heard of very interesting experiments with yeast to have this abillity, maybe the fleece has it too ...

Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:35 pm
by fantanyl
thoughts ?
only fleece or contams and fleece ?
i did a non sterile test run on grape juice just to see if its really necessary to sterilize the liquid, because i hate sterilizing liquid medias with high sugar content, it caramelizes horrible every time i do it (pressure cooker) ... usually the myzel (other shrooms not the fleece) grows nevertheless but significantly slower if there is much caramelization, i think the fleece would do that too.
i think it should be possible to do it non sterile with a high succesrate simply because it grows so enormously fast - by the way this is day one after innoculation of the fleece spores, yeah i think no way any other molds are that fast but, u kno, safety first

Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:13 pm
by Mcpato
fantanyl wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:35 pm
thoughts ?
only fleece or contams and fleece ?
i did a non sterile test run on grape juice just to see if its really necessary to sterilize the liquid, because i hate sterilizing liquid medias with high sugar content, it caramelizes horrible every time i do it (pressure cooker) ... usually the myzel (other shrooms not the fleece) grows nevertheless but significantly slower if there is much caramelization, i think the fleece would do that too.
i think it should be possible to do it non sterile with a high succesrate simply because it grows so enormously fast - by the way this is day one after innoculation of the fleece spores, yeah i think no way any other molds are that fast but, u kno, safety first
Honestly it looks great, like pure fleece! It can range slightly in colors from white, to black, to grey and brown. Seriously well done. That ambrosia will be done in less than a week I would expect. I've had hit and miss success using Don teeters method of decarbing over the stove with a double boiler and that could be due to so many reasons, from the ambrosia not being potent enough to me not going cooking long enough. I found that I preferred it raw, but the effects were more traditionally psychoactive when decarbed first.

The most potent ambrosia I made was in a small jar with orange juice. Not in any way pasturized or anything, from a concentrate can with regular tap water. It was just a fun experiment while I worked on other things. I set it and forgot about it for about 3 weeks. It grew very little fuzz on top, and under the surface of the juice it had grown a little more. That orange juice turned super acidic kinda like vinegar, but it has the distinct ambrosia acidity. That stuff lasted forever because, I kid you not, if I dipped my finger in, and just tasted it, it would quickly set to work. That batch was what really showed me how transdermal this stuff is. Equally potent transdermally as sublingually or orally. I actually never tried doing a larger batch of orange juice...
Idk why the orange juice was so much more potent. It's possible the citric acid already present had something to do with it, maybe decarboxylating the "ibotenic acid".

Btw I LOVE your coffee idea. You are getting the exact spirit of the possibilities here! Coffee grounds may be possible to work with here as well? All koji experiments would work with the fleece. Psychoactive food possibilities?! Lolol

Keep going my friend! I look forward to your experiences consuming the fleece. Remember to start slow! And taking it small amounts in consecutive days is even better, you'll see! There is definitely some type of reverse tolerance.

Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:57 am
by fantanyl
thanks @Mcpato !
really appreciate your experienced eye for the fleece and your opinion !
in the attachments is an update of today, i think now its a bit more unmistakeable the fleece, but i wasn´t really sure because its thin appearence, in all the pics you can find in the net on top of the ambrosial wine there is a thick fleece,
i thought about what are the the conditions for the fleece to grow thick, maybe more sugar in the medium -> more viscous medium -> better stability -> higher growth
or maybe with less sugar (or nutrients) the fleece has no need to "stretch his arms long" in the search for nutrients (in the verm and BRF experiments, the fleece grows less large in jars with additional sugar)
or maybe more air circulation could work
but this leads to the question if a thicker fleece is really advantageous for producing actives, or just a beautiful look ...

i´ll post future experiments

i´ll definitly try to replikate your experiment with orange juice, sounds interesting, maybe the citric acid or other componets are good precursers for ibotenic acid
but i´ll will try different juices anyway

also very interesting how you describe the effects, it gets more and more interesting,
reverse tolerance is an interesting phenomenom, the only other substance i know of which produces reverse tollerance is salvinorin A (fascinating stuff)

i think i´ll try first with the decarb method,
but i thought about why does the don decarb it in a double boiler ? i think it should work in an usual pot, too
it would be much more convenient, and you could decarb much larger batches at once.
did you try that sprinkeling sugar in the ambrosia while decarbing and watch this reaction method ?

for the coffee experiment, i think both, ground and unground could have advantages, i think there is a lower contam risk if the beans are unground, but then it could be slower

so much experiments for the future, looking very forward to share they with you !
and i wanted to thank you Mcpato, a year ago i first read about the fleece and since i read the book of teeter and all the posts in the ambrosia society section of this forum, and side by side with the don you are the greatest inspriration in this cutting edge sience ! your posts gave me the only real evidence all this stuff is actually legit and worth trying it!
cant tell about the ambrosia societys forum, because it was already down when i first heard about, i think there obviously would be great informations too, but on all the other drug forums, there is so much disbelieve, one could simply think thats all BS, here is the only place one can really talk about that.
the fleece derserves a much larger adience !

Re: The Ambrosia Society's Fleece

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:38 am
by Mcpato
fantanyl wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:57 am
thanks @Mcpato !
really appreciate your experienced eye for the fleece and your opinion !
in the attachments is an update of today, i think now its a bit more unmistakeable the fleece, but i wasn´t really sure because its thin appearence, in all the pics you can find in the net on top of the ambrosial wine there is a thick fleece,
i thought about what are the the conditions for the fleece to grow thick, maybe more sugar in the medium -> more viscous medium -> better stability -> higher growth
or maybe with less sugar (or nutrients) the fleece has no need to "stretch his arms long" in the search for nutrients (in the verm and BRF experiments, the fleece grows less large in jars with additional sugar)
or maybe more air circulation could work
but this leads to the question if a thicker fleece is really advantageous for producing actives, or just a beautiful look ...

i´ll post future experiments

i´ll definitly try to replikate your experiment with orange juice, sounds interesting, maybe the citric acid or other componets are good precursers for ibotenic acid
but i´ll will try different juices anyway

also very interesting how you describe the effects, it gets more and more interesting,
reverse tolerance is an interesting phenomenom, the only other substance i know of which produces reverse tollerance is salvinorin A (fascinating stuff)

i think i´ll try first with the decarb method,
but i thought about why does the don decarb it in a double boiler ? i think it should work in an usual pot, too
it would be much more convenient, and you could decarb much larger batches at once.
did you try that sprinkeling sugar in the ambrosia while decarbing and watch this reaction method ?

for the coffee experiment, i think both, ground and unground could have advantages, i think there is a lower contam risk if the beans are unground, but then it could be slower

so much experiments for the future, looking very forward to share they with you !
and i wanted to thank you Mcpato, a year ago i first read about the fleece and since i read the book of teeter and all the posts in the ambrosia society section of this forum, and side by side with the don you are the greatest inspriration in this cutting edge sience ! your posts gave me the only real evidence all this stuff is actually legit and worth trying it!
cant tell about the ambrosia societys forum, because it was already down when i first heard about, i think there obviously would be great informations too, but on all the other drug forums, there is so much disbelieve, one could simply think thats all BS, here is the only place one can really talk about that.
the fleece derserves a much larger adience !
The double boiler is to keep the ambrosia from burning on the bottom. When I tried using higher temperatures for decarb it made the ambrosia taste almost metallic. I'm sure it changed it somehow. It tasted sorta burnt. I think it still worked but was a little weaker, but tbh its been a long time and I do not remember exactly how it went...

I really appreciate your kind words, and you are right that the fleece deserves a wider audience. It eventually will, but hopefully by then we'll have already unlocked all its secrets!

I see things like this mold is similar to a holy grail. Only a fool would ever even attempt to find it. And only a fool would ever find it, and by then, not so much a fool anymore. All I can say is everyone can see for themselves, but since most won't, this gift is reserved for the few.

Thank you for helping carry the torch forward my friend! Like I mentioned before, I'm not currently cultivating the fleece, but only because I plan to come back to it after some time so I can try some new experiments... I want to work with the fleece alchemically... I feel it deserves its own form of physical exaltation, and so I work towards "a great work" with this fleece.