Alcohol maceration of the mushroom? (and my presentation)

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Alcohol maceration of the mushroom? (and my presentation)

Post by Fox » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:18 am

Hi, sorry if my english is a little crappy.

I'm a novel writter from Spain, Europe, and I want to write a history centered on realistic witchraft. I have been researching a lot, and practicing sleep paralisis for some time to trigger out of body experiences. I don't want to writte about fantasy witches, neither today rational view that ''is just medieval ignorance'', cause I firmly belive it's not.

There are numerous trials and documented information, on Navarra for exemple, all of the village see an old woman accused of witchcraft descending like a lizard from the tower after using one of his confiscated ointments (the inquisitor promise to liberate her if she can escape using witchcraft, later she was captured and processed anyways...) well.. you can say those are crazy times and you can't quite give credit to the cronics... but there are well documented cases far more recent, like the bizzare lawsuit in Cideville on 1851 between the priest and a supposed mage that caused all types of poltergheist, and invisible hand beating people and paranoic monks searching for spirits with metal nails, one of wich touched ''something'' and then a series of sparks and smoke scares the shit out of them, or the case of poor Emilie Sagee who posees a semi-physical double that makes her fired from his jobs.

There is definitelly ''something'' about this thematic that can't be rationally explained.


On my sleep paralisis personal research, at first I found that there are attributable to hypnagogic states, and I can totally see why people who practice it for religious or dogmatic pourpose takes them for real, you can't ''wake up'' and they can get intense and vivid. Also interesting that the symptoms recalled by people who describe abductions or paranormal experiences are exactly similar, even matched to the medieval episodes of victims of witches, demons or vampires.
There is a series of simptoms and signs from those states, the bee like zum zum, the electric oscilation feel trough the body, the paralisis... even described perfectly by J.T Sheridan Le Fanu on his lesbic vampire novel Carmilla (Wich preceeds in time to Bram Stoker's Dracula), he definitelly do his reseach on historical depictions of demon and vampire assaults.

Well... even if those experiences are ''realistic'' and can be very intense, you are ''part of the experience'', you dont question things that you normally do, and latter if you are objective and logic about it, you can spot the things that doesn't quite have sense.

Even those ''astral voyagers'' that genuinely use sleep paralisis instead of mere lucid dreams tend to have personal experiences mixed with their cultural background, the mind tends to reproduce the inmediations, but when they move away, is just a mental trip.

Or so I use to belive... the fact is... there are ways to have very different experiences, where you are totally aware, you question what you are seeing, even don't belive it instead of being part of the experience, you can feel every little fiber of the blanket, and there is absolutelly no explanation of how the fuck have you been able to trow down that old graphic card box from the shelf... but those experiences are pretty hard to achieve, so hard and demanding that I can only manage to do it 3 times in my lifetime.
Usually is just youre usual vivid inner trip, maybe other dimensions or wathever.

Well... Doing reseach on real witchcraft is pretty hard, I have read almost everything out there, Paracelsus treatises, Roberk Kirk Secret Community, Vampire Treatise from Calvet, Armadel, Mabinogion, the exquisite and cult Compendium Maleficarum From Fra. M. Guazzo and much others. It starts has a simple desire to write a realistic medieval novel involving genuine witchcraft practice, and it turns an obsesion... I can see that the vast majority of old magic treatises are just stupid things loosely based on superstition, jewish cabbala, popular beliefs etc... made up to content the curiosity of the general public, and the cult part of them are from people of the church who just speculates.

When I move to astral thematic books, Oliver Fox, Muuldon, Doc. Moonroe etc... I see some of them actually start well with a genuine interest and experiences, but all of them gets rapidly lost and adopts esoteric views conforming individual dogmas wich also shapes their experiences. In the end none of them reach the type of experiences that I search, and in case their are real, could explain a lot from historical cases of witchraft or paranormal.


I purchase recently a house on a mountain village, I'm gonna be alone to practice my shit and doing magic research, and of course, there is something I definitelly have to try, cause there is no dobut that witches uses ''the mushroom''. Here it's fairly easy to found Amanita Muscaria, I need to learn how to propperly prepare and use it as part of my documentation work, and even if I can use it to trigger easilly those out of body experiences or it can be related.

I'm still learning from Amanita Dreamer videos, but for the first question I want to know about alcohol mixing, supposetly the Centaurs mixed the mushrom with wine to make ambrosia in greek mythology, and the syberian chamans mixed it with vodka or licor, the alkaloids disolve well on alcohol, but on the channel this is strongly discouraged.

Is there any experience about it? Is it really that bad if the Syberian chamans do it, or is there something we miss about it?

On a book Guide of psychodellic plants from J.L Berdounces it recomends to macerate it with a strong licor, (Leave the mushroom on licor for some days) but the autor isn't quite concrete of how many days and provides loose information, so I don't know what to belive.

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Re: Alcohol maceration of the mushroom? (and my presentation)

Post by Geronimo » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:10 pm

Interesting post.
Many topics to cover there.
I would suggest to get used to microdosing and work yourself up the ladder if you want to explore the deeper connections with AM.
However I would take precautions if your aim is to explore astral worlds and agree to contracts in the "magical" or lower 4th Density realms. Everything comes at its price.
Sleep paralysis, as far as I have experienced it, is merely a stage. Sometimes it is lived intensively and creeps up on you resulting in no deepening of the experience.
Other times the mind can bypass the paralysis, which is far more comfortable to phase into the astral.
Keep us posted on your progress and good luck.

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Re: Alcohol maceration of the mushroom? (and my presentation)

Post by Caroline » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:09 pm

Hello,

Eventhough I'm no professional writer, I've been writing short stories for 15 years, so I relate a bit there. I started 15 years ago with totally imaginary kind of "witches" and ghosts stories and now end up using fiction to tell a bit about what kind of "witchcraft" I do during "ceremonies" in "modified states of consciousness".
To me, old days witches were European shamans, so if you feel like reading about modern days witches testimonies, you may look into shamanism and stuff like Maria Sabina's way to use psilocybes mushrooms in Mexico (there's a documentary about her on youtube).
You may also read about ayahuasceros in the Amazon, or shamans from Mongolia, etc... Just keep away from the Castaneda's books!! Lol. You might end up being disapointed though, since it's usually more about healing than sparkles and flames coming out of shamans' hands or butt! ;-)
Shamans all tend to dwell in the same kind of spirit world, usually negociating with the spirit world for the good of their own community (or sometimes just using their skills to send spells at one another... the shamanic world is not always a pretty one!).

"The mushroom" as you state may not have only been the amanita muscaria but also the psilocybe mushrooms, and "witches" may also have used herbs in their ointments such as datura and belladona. Those people were probably all more or less good herbalists, using herbs for healing, abortion,... maybe helping the dying one to pass over? And sometimes using their skills not so much for the greater good, but for their own (maybe not always in a good way).
Thomas Hatsis has done some research on the topic, wrote a few books and posted some interesting videos on youtube (https://psychedelichistorian.com/).
You may also check this video and chanel for more on flying ointments and modern days witches stuff: (I've never tried that recipe but I plan to experiment with belladona and datura in the coming months).
On facebook, there's Emporium Black who makes and sells chocolate truffles infused with belladona, amanita muscaria, datura... It looks like interesting stuff for those willing to experiment gently!

If you wish to experiment with mushrooms and see how it can fit into a witch's practice, I encourage you to consider psilocybes mushrooms and truffles (that can be ordered online from several smartshops in the netherlands). Checkwith your local legislation, butI've heard Spain is quite a cool place when it comes to the use of psychedelics...
You've been trying to get to Moscow by foot, psilocybes may take you there by train!
Most of my practice has been built with them (so far I've only used amanita muscaria in microdosing for anxiety and sleep issues). Just one warning: it takes to deal with our own personal shit + a lot of dedication to serve Life in order to access the spirit world and be able to really work with it. Spiritual tourism may be fine as long as it's respectful, but it also may lead to dead ends and troubles when dedication to Life/Nature is lacking.

I share part of my "findings" on a website dedicated to psychedelics. I have a few articles in English, such as that one: https://psychedeliques.home.blog/2020/0 ... obbit-way/ and you may use the google translate tool at the top right of the page for what's in French!
I share some other parts of my "findings" in my most recent short stories (from 2015 and later), that can be found there, in case you'd be willing to try and improve your skills in French! https://froufrouettransendance.wordpress.com/nouvelles/

By the way, amanita tincture seems to work fine for me: I put some dried amanitas in 50° rhum, let it sit there for about 2 months (just to make sure it was well infused) and I just use it as a tea: keep it in the fridge and take about 1/2 of a teaspoon or a bit more according to potency, so that's really not a lot of alcool in the end! You may just put as many dried amanitas as you can in a jar... and better use a small jar if you only have a few amanitas, so the jar may be filled with mushrooms as much as possible, and not just have a few mushrooms drawning in plenty of alcool!... and pour rhum over it and wait. Dosage should be according to concentration and personal sensitivity, so it'd be up to you to experiment wisely and safely starting with tiny doses and building from there.

May I ask in which area you are in Spain?!
Take care!
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Re: Alcohol maceration of the mushroom? (and my presentation)

Post by Rebis » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:56 pm

Fox wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:18 am
Hi, sorry if my english is a little crappy.

I'm a novel writter from Spain, Europe, and I want to write a history centered on realistic witchraft. I have been researching a lot, and practicing sleep paralisis for some time to trigger out of body experiences. I don't want to writte about fantasy witches, neither today rational view that ''is just medieval ignorance'', cause I firmly belive it's not. .....
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Well... Doing reseach on real witchcraft is pretty hard, I have read almost everything out there, Paracelsus treatises, Roberk Kirk Secret Community, Vampire Treatise from Calvet, Armadel, Mabinogion, the exquisite and cult Compendium Maleficarum From Fra. M. Guazzo and much others. It starts has a simple desire to write a realistic medieval novel involving genuine witchcraft practice, and it turns an obsesion... I can see that the vast majority of old magic treatises are just stupid things loosely based on superstition, jewish cabbala, popular beliefs etc... made up to content the curiosity of the general public, and the cult part of them are from people of the church who just speculates.
A couple of books you might want to read if you are interested in real witchcraft are ‘Popular Magic. Cunning-Folk in English History’. By Owen Davies, and the other book, ‘Ecstasies; Deciphering the Witches Sabbath’ by Carlo Ginzburg.
Both books describe the so called ‘witch’ as having been a 'cunning man' and 'cunning woman', i.e. folk-magic workers and herbal healers; and in the case of ‘Ecstasies’ a type of shaman (as Caroline said in her post).

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