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i totally agree, it is an interesting idea though, possibly lactofermenting? i wonder how this occurred and what the methodology could be to repeat. LABs can easily be captured from the air with rice wash water (RWW) and some days time and with milk whey can be produced when making cheese curds out of the milk fats it leaves the whey that can lactoferment cabbage or carrots or..... muschrooms? i wonder how using RWW or the whey could effect the muscimol or ibotenic acid; considering how simple it is to harvest LABs perhaps it would be worth a small experiment to then test and see what substances are presentamanitadreamer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:13 pmZopphire wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:06 pmAccidental discovery, mixing amanita with lactic acid creates an entirely unique, more potent and classicaly psychedelic experience at low to medium recreational dosages.
I have experimented with recreational dosages of conventionally prepared amanita boiled for many hours at very low pH using a range of acids. The difference in experiences is stark. This is NOT the product of decarboxylation. This is NOT muscimol or ibotonic acid. I urge you to confirm for yourself.
I believe this is why urine features so much in association with amanita, as with each pass of urine consumed more ibotanic acid/muscimol is exposed to lactic acid naturally present in the body. After experiencing the distinctly discernable feeling of this third substance I was able to identify it after a few cycles into a urine looping experiment. The effects progressively grew stronger as the number of urine loops consumed increased... fun times.
Iymt's worth mentioning highly decarboxylated amanita consumed at recreational dosages in the past made me feel disconnected from my body as if I was about to drift into a coma and simply forget I existed. Like holding onto my body by a thin thread. Personally I prefer a balance of ibotanic acid and muscimol when conventionally prepared. Again, this is not ibotanic acid or muscimol producing the effects when prepared with lactic acid. The effects are distinct.
Effects experienced at unknown (accidental) high dose:
No Nausea whatsoever
Waves of white completely encompassing visual field beginning at periphery making their way inwards in a circular fashion every few seconds. Rhythmicly pulsing. Physical response at peak of each wave as subtle muscle tension. Could this progress to seizures at higher doses? I don't know.
Visuals progressed to surfaces appearing as if bubbling. Stalicmites and stalictites outlined in faint irredecense descending from roof in waves as if someone were fast forwarding time for several seconds then pausing for a second or two. Boiling visuals speed up, boiling slows down.
Time appeared to slow down, stop and fast forward cyclicly right infront of me in a completely objective, non immersive way. Observing waves/pulses of time without being immersed in them such as time dilation on Mushrooms, LSD etc. Like watching a TV on fast-forward then pause repeatedly. I wasn't "appart" of the time distortion besides the muscle tension. I was an observer.
Mental and emotional stability vastly different to LSD, psilocybin, mescalin, mdma etc. Much more like DMT, bufotenine etc. Not euphoric, not disphoric. Possibly slightly stimulating and mood enhancing in an eccentric, strange dissociative way. Optimisticly edgy. not negative in any way.
Coordination was manageable with strong focus. Again, as the waves/pulses came, muscles and mind would tense and lock slightly.
I find this incredibly regrettable. Certainly not something I am proud of in the slightest, however it is worth mentioning. I managed to drive a car with my significant other to a yoga class and appear completely sober to a small group of people whilst seriously, seriously tripping. I would not have done this if it wasn't absolutely neccesary to do so. I could not have my significant other catching on in any way shape or form and cancelling the class minutes before leaving (right as the effects came on hard) would have created confusion/suspision that I couldn't handle in that state.
Driving a car, interacting with people and getting through a fairly serious yoga class was far, far easier then say on cannabis, LSD etc. I havn't driven on either of those or any other psychedelic, thankfully!
Microdosing:
I have experimented with microdosing and found a marked, perhaps short lived increase in sociability, physical energy, alertness, and focus aswell as distinct body sensations which I would class as activatiom and movement of Jing Qi. Vibrations, electrical sensation etc. Particularly in extremedies. Nothing malevolent or nerve problem related. If you know the feeling you know the feeling.
The next day mood consistently dropped with intense fleeting moments of apathy and despair that made microdosing not a worthwhile longterm pursuit.
I believe Donald E Teeters mention of amanita in sour milk aswell as the possibility of fermented amanita ie mushroom mead need to be looked at much more seriously.
I have a feeling heat may play into this effect in some way. I have not experimented enough to really know. If in doubt, go without. Apple cider vinegar should produce the effect in the right quantities without heating, though I would personally go with lactic acid powder any day over ACV. I tried eating some pasteurised yoghurt after making regular lemon tech style microdose tea. I didn't notice much.
That's my story! I was so excited to find the forum as I've been meaning to tell the world about this discovery but didn't quite know how or where to do so.
Please post your experiences
Thank you!
Requesting we be more accurate in our claims. If you're claiming a completely new active, pls cite your sources. This is a science based forum. Getting competely different feelings and results is highly interesting and this discussion of lactic acid highly relevant and IS backed by science. It's discussed in the Austin Patent and in the Compendium. Further decarb is obtained through lactobacillus bacteria when done naturally and your assumptions are backed by the science behind it. This gives the most complete decarb we can find scientifically.
There is a lot of discussion on historical use in milk and letting it go bad somewhat, then consuming it. It's a fascinating conversation and one I am making a video on especially since the roundtable with Austin recently. The science on this exists and it's real and it's interesting to get use info like this.
Keep it coming but pls keep your claims accurate.
Newenglandforager wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:13 ami totally agree, it is an interesting idea though, possibly lactofermenting? i wonder how this occurred and what the methodology could be to repeat. LABs can easily be captured from the air with rice wash water (RWW) and some days time and with milk whey can be produced when making cheese curds out of the milk fats it leaves the whey that can lactoferment cabbage or carrots or..... muschrooms? i wonder how using RWW or the whey could effect the muscimol or ibotenic acid; considering how simple it is to harvest LABs perhaps it would be worth a small experiment to then test and see what substances are presentamanitadreamer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:13 pmZopphire wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:06 pmAccidental discovery, mixing amanita with lactic acid creates an entirely unique, more potent and classicaly psychedelic experience at low to medium recreational dosages.
I have experimented with recreational dosages of conventionally prepared amanita boiled for many hours at very low pH using a range of acids. The difference in experiences is stark. This is NOT the product of decarboxylation. This is NOT muscimol or ibotonic acid. I urge you to confirm for yourself.
I believe this is why urine features so much in association with amanita, as with each pass of urine consumed more ibotanic acid/muscimol is exposed to lactic acid naturally present in the body. After experiencing the distinctly discernable feeling of this third substance I was able to identify it after a few cycles into a urine looping experiment. The effects progressively grew stronger as the number of urine loops consumed increased... fun times.
Iymt's worth mentioning highly decarboxylated amanita consumed at recreational dosages in the past made me feel disconnected from my body as if I was about to drift into a coma and simply forget I existed. Like holding onto my body by a thin thread. Personally I prefer a balance of ibotanic acid and muscimol when conventionally prepared. Again, this is not ibotanic acid or muscimol producing the effects when prepared with lactic acid. The effects are distinct.
Effects experienced at unknown (accidental) high dose:
No Nausea whatsoever
Waves of white completely encompassing visual field beginning at periphery making their way inwards in a circular fashion every few seconds. Rhythmicly pulsing. Physical response at peak of each wave as subtle muscle tension. Could this progress to seizures at higher doses? I don't know.
Visuals progressed to surfaces appearing as if bubbling. Stalicmites and stalictites outlined in faint irredecense descending from roof in waves as if someone were fast forwarding time for several seconds then pausing for a second or two. Boiling visuals speed up, boiling slows down.
Time appeared to slow down, stop and fast forward cyclicly right infront of me in a completely objective, non immersive way. Observing waves/pulses of time without being immersed in them such as time dilation on Mushrooms, LSD etc. Like watching a TV on fast-forward then pause repeatedly. I wasn't "appart" of the time distortion besides the muscle tension. I was an observer.
Mental and emotional stability vastly different to LSD, psilocybin, mescalin, mdma etc. Much more like DMT, bufotenine etc. Not euphoric, not disphoric. Possibly slightly stimulating and mood enhancing in an eccentric, strange dissociative way. Optimisticly edgy. not negative in any way.
Coordination was manageable with strong focus. Again, as the waves/pulses came, muscles and mind would tense and lock slightly.
I find this incredibly regrettable. Certainly not something I am proud of in the slightest, however it is worth mentioning. I managed to drive a car with my significant other to a yoga class and appear completely sober to a small group of people whilst seriously, seriously tripping. I would not have done this if it wasn't absolutely neccesary to do so. I could not have my significant other catching on in any way shape or form and cancelling the class minutes before leaving (right as the effects came on hard) would have created confusion/suspision that I couldn't handle in that state.
Driving a car, interacting with people and getting through a fairly serious yoga class was far, far easier then say on cannabis, LSD etc. I havn't driven on either of those or any other psychedelic, thankfully!
Microdosing:
I have experimented with microdosing and found a marked, perhaps short lived increase in sociability, physical energy, alertness, and focus aswell as distinct body sensations which I would class as activatiom and movement of Jing Qi. Vibrations, electrical sensation etc. Particularly in extremedies. Nothing malevolent or nerve problem related. If you know the feeling you know the feeling.
The next day mood consistently dropped with intense fleeting moments of apathy and despair that made microdosing not a worthwhile longterm pursuit.
I believe Donald E Teeters mention of amanita in sour milk aswell as the possibility of fermented amanita ie mushroom mead need to be looked at much more seriously.
I have a feeling heat may play into this effect in some way. I have not experimented enough to really know. If in doubt, go without. Apple cider vinegar should produce the effect in the right quantities without heating, though I would personally go with lactic acid powder any day over ACV. I tried eating some pasteurised yoghurt after making regular lemon tech style microdose tea. I didn't notice much.
That's my story! I was so excited to find the forum as I've been meaning to tell the world about this discovery but didn't quite know how or where to do so.
Please post your experiences
Thank you!
Requesting we be more accurate in our claims. If you're claiming a completely new active, pls cite your sources. This is a science based forum. Getting competely different feelings and results is highly interesting and this discussion of lactic acid highly relevant and IS backed by science. It's discussed in the Austin Patent and in the Compendium. Further decarb is obtained through lactobacillus bacteria when done naturally and your assumptions are backed by the science behind it. This gives the most complete decarb we can find scientifically.
There is a lot of discussion on historical use in milk and letting it go bad somewhat, then consuming it. It's a fascinating conversation and one I am making a video on especially since the roundtable with Austin recently. The science on this exists and it's real and it's interesting to get use info like this.
Keep it coming but pls keep your claims accurate.
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