Dosing causing more anxiety?!

[TheWay47]

Dosing causing more anxiety?!

AM has been a last resort for my terrible anxiety. I’ve tried all the other psychedelics and they cause horrendous anxiety. Their mechanism of action is thru serotonin.

AM is GABA but is felt like the very same stimulating anxiety producing effect also.

There is nothing sedating about it, hard to believe this is used to get off of benzos.

Does this pass in time or is this just a bad sign I’m a non responses?

I’ve taken up to 15gs and it was just incredibly stimulating and anxiety inducing.

Thx

[tgt1002]

It sounds like you are getting to much ibotenic acid. Ibotenic acid in too high amounts amoung other things can cause what you are describing. Be careful to prep in a way that gives you the max decarb possible

[amanitadreamer]

Dosing causing more anxiety?!

AM has been a last resort for my terrible anxiety. I’ve tried all the other psychedelics and they cause horrendous anxiety. Their mechanism of action is thru serotonin.

AM is GABA but is felt like the very same stimulating anxiety producing effect also.

There is nothing sedating about it, hard to believe this is used to get off of benzos.

Does this pass in time or is this just a bad sign I’m a non responses?

I’ve taken up to 15gs and it was just incredibly stimulating and anxiety inducing.

Thx

Treating anxiety by taking over 10 times the necessary dose without a full decarb....not sure what you were expecting to happen. Please watch all the videos on decarb. Pls watch the dosing videos. You have no business trying to trip if you're trying to treat anxiety and you're that sensitive to it.

[TheWay47]

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[TheWay47]

Dosing causing more anxiety?!

AM has been a last resort for my terrible anxiety. I’ve tried all the other psychedelics and they cause horrendous anxiety. Their mechanism of action is thru serotonin.

AM is GABA but is felt like the very same stimulating anxiety producing effect also.

There is nothing sedating about it, hard to believe this is used to get off of benzos.

Does this pass in time or is this just a bad sign I’m a non responses?

I’ve taken up to 15gs and it was just incredibly stimulating and anxiety inducing.

Thx

Treating anxiety by taking over 10 times the necessary dose without a full decarb....not sure what you were expecting to happen. Please watch all the videos on decarb. Pls watch the dosing videos. You have no business trying to trip if you're trying to treat anxiety and you're that sensitive to it.

I did use your decarb videos and from what I found out 20 minutes and lemon juice is not accurate. I started out at 1g and it wasn’t pleasant.

Not sure why you assume I didn’t do it properly as your videos appear to have misinformation on preparation. A large dose was unwise considering a negative reaction to smaller doses.

It appears that a 2.7ph needs to be reached and this requires a few hours of boiling in citric acid to convert the ibo properly which made a difference.

I don’t think you should be promoting your videos so strongly.

[amanitadreamer]

Dosing causing more anxiety?!

AM has been a last resort for my terrible anxiety. I’ve tried all the other psychedelics and they cause horrendous anxiety. Their mechanism of action is thru serotonin.

AM is GABA but is felt like the very same stimulating anxiety producing effect also.

There is nothing sedating about it, hard to believe this is used to get off of benzos.

Does this pass in time or is this just a bad sign I’m a non responses?

I’ve taken up to 15gs and it was just incredibly stimulating and anxiety inducing.

Thx

Treating anxiety by taking over 10 times the necessary dose without a full decarb....not sure what you were expecting to happen. Please watch all the videos on decarb. Pls watch the dosing videos. You have no business trying to trip if you're trying to treat anxiety and you're that sensitive to it.

I did use your decarb videos and from what I found out 20 minutes and lemon juice is not accurate. I started out at 1g and it wasn’t pleasant.

Not sure why you assume I didn’t do it properly as your videos appear to have misinformation on preparation. A large dose was unwise considering a negative reaction to smaller doses.

It appears that a 2.7ph needs to be reached and this requires a few hours of boiling in citric acid to convert the ibo properly which made a difference.

I don’t think you should be promoting your videos so strongly.

1. You said "I did use your decarb videos and from what I found out 20 minutes and lemon juice is not accurate." It is absolutely accurate. Just because you made many errors doesn't mean my info is wrong. And just because you use one of many alternate ways to decarb and got a good result doesn't mean my information is not accurate.
2. If you are saying you took 1gram that means you only use one mushroom or 2. This can and likely did create a hot dose and if you purchased yours, not the original 30% decarb. My directions were correct, make a 15 gram tea to avoid hot dosing from dried at high heat.
3.I assume you didn't do it properly because in your post you say you took a very large dose and your side effects sound like ibotenic acid lacking conversion. I say in my videos, over and over, the tea is to create a normalized solution to avoid hot dosing, and you only take a very small amount and titrate up. You did none of those. Likely because you didn't bother to spend any time on the channel.
4. I discuss the pH in the Austin Patent video, which again, you obviously didn't watch. Your statement on how to arrive at that is just ridiculous and shows your complete lack of even basic chemistry.

drying at heat 30% decarb
simmering 30%
lemon 30%

Make 15g to normalize, microdose before rec dose and start small.
THEN I discuss alternate ways of decarb in the Austin Patent video.

I discuss lemon in other videos. Citric acid is an unstable acid and only sometimes gets to 2.6 or lower. It is used to buffer other acids. THIS is why they had to boil it for so long.
Lemon juice is a stable acid. It doesn't take hours. Using grams to determine dose means you are getting hot doses and weak doses. I discuss this in my video on creating a normalized dose. This is not my opinion, this is the science. And I leave my citations in the descriptions when I discuss the science.

When you read the data tables, you have to know if they are studying ibotenic acid or the amanita mushroom. Lab created ibotenic acid acts very differently than what's in the matrix of a mushroom. Using lab created ibo as information on use of a mushroom is erroneous at best.

You got a better experience this time, not because of how you prepped it but because you had already used it and started to create an adaptogenic effect. AND if you again only cooked one or two mushrooms, you also got very lucky. IF you had actually used my directions you wouldn't have had to suffer. Using such a large dose is a bad idea.
I made this forum for science based discussions, not for people to come be ignorantly insulting.
I don't think you should insult someone who created a space to help you, based on random people's science on the internet and your mistaken interpretation of my work or complete lack of education on my work. How's that for an opinion.
Better yet, how about we keep opinions out of it?
Now, cite your source so we can have actual scientific discussions.

State your claim, cite your source.
For my source I refer you to
Tsunoda 1993,
The Austin Patent

[amanitadreamer]

Dosing causing more anxiety?!

AM has been a last resort for my terrible anxiety. I’ve tried all the other psychedelics and they cause horrendous anxiety. Their mechanism of action is thru serotonin.

AM is GABA but is felt like the very same stimulating anxiety producing effect also.

There is nothing sedating about it, hard to believe this is used to get off of benzos.

Does this pass in time or is this just a bad sign I’m a non responses?

I’ve taken up to 15gs and it was just incredibly stimulating and anxiety inducing.

Thx

Treating anxiety by taking over 10 times the necessary dose without a full decarb....not sure what you were expecting to happen. Please watch all the videos on decarb. Pls watch the dosing videos. You have no business trying to trip if you're trying to treat anxiety and you're that sensitive to it.

I did use your decarb videos and from what I found out 20 minutes and lemon juice is not accurate. I started out at 1g and it wasn’t pleasant.

Not sure why you assume I didn’t do it properly as your videos appear to have misinformation on preparation. A large dose was unwise considering a negative reaction to smaller doses.

It appears that a 2.7ph needs to be reached and this requires a few hours of boiling in citric acid to convert the ibo properly which made a difference.

I don’t think you should be promoting your videos so strongly.

Curious, if you're concerned about conversion why did you not use the Austin Patent video and the lactic acid conversion? I say that it decarbs up to 95%. And I REALLY want you to answer that question since you have been really shitty here when we built this forum to help you and then wrote to help you....so please, answer this question.

[TheWay47]

Treating anxiety by taking over 10 times the necessary dose without a full decarb....not sure what you were expecting to happen. Please watch all the videos on decarb. Pls watch the dosing videos. You have no business trying to trip if you're trying to treat anxiety and you're that sensitive to it.

I did use your decarb videos and from what I found out 20 minutes and lemon juice is not accurate. I started out at 1g and it wasn’t pleasant.

Not sure why you assume I didn’t do it properly as your videos appear to have misinformation on preparation. A large dose was unwise considering a negative reaction to smaller doses.

It appears that a 2.7ph needs to be reached and this requires a few hours of boiling in citric acid to convert the ibo properly which made a difference.

I don’t think you should be promoting your videos so strongly.

Curious, if you're concerned about conversion why did you not use the Austin Patent video and the lactic acid conversion? I say that it decarbs up to 95%. And I REALLY want you to answer that question since you have been really shitty here when we built this forum to help you and then wrote to help you....so please, answer this question.

I’m not being shitty. Your original reply to my message was rude and condescending, there’s a cause and effect here. Apply some tact.

You say refer to your videos and that’s what I did, you specifically explained to boil for 20 minutes and add lemon juice, which I did and had a terrible reaction. Your advice lost all credibility. Call me ignorant, your advice was ignorant, I don’t think you’re the chemist you think you are.

Now you’re assuming, I made 15gs at your recommended dosage. You just advise a splash of lemon juice and nothing of proper ph. I started small had a bad reaction and then went big, which ended up being unwise as I admit.

I’m not claiming to be knowledgeable when it comes to chemistry, but knew based on your advice something wasn’t working.

So I did some more research and spoke with some people who said that more time was needed and a specific ph was needed to prepare the mushrooms.

I was going on advice from others and experimenting and found something that worked and found a night and day difference.

Your videos aren’t the only source of information.

Again, you ought to consider how you respond to people in a your messages. Like the first person that responded, they were informative, not rude.

[amanitadreamer]

I did use your decarb videos and from what I found out 20 minutes and lemon juice is not accurate. I started out at 1g and it wasn’t pleasant.

Not sure why you assume I didn’t do it properly as your videos appear to have misinformation on preparation. A large dose was unwise considering a negative reaction to smaller doses.

It appears that a 2.7ph needs to be reached and this requires a few hours of boiling in citric acid to convert the ibo properly which made a difference.

I don’t think you should be promoting your videos so strongly.

Curious, if you're concerned about conversion why did you not use the Austin Patent video and the lactic acid conversion? I say that it decarbs up to 95%. And I REALLY want you to answer that question since you have been really shitty here when we built this forum to help you and then wrote to help you....so please, answer this question.

I’m not being shitty. Your original reply to my message was rude and condescending, there’s a cause and effect here.

You say refer to your videos and that’s what I did, you specifically explained to boil for 20 minutes and add lemon juice, which I did and had a terrible reaction. Your advice lost all credibility. Call me ignorant, your advice was ignorant, I don’t think you’re the chemist you think you are.

Now you’re assuming, I made 15gs at your recommended dosage. You just advise a splash of lemon juice and nothing of proper ph. I started small had a bad reaction and then went big, which ended up being unwise as I admit.

I’m not claiming to be knowledgeable when it comes to chemistry, but knew based on your advice something wasn’t working.

So I did some more research and spoke with some people who said that more time was needed and a specific ph was needed to prepare the mushrooms.

I was going on advice from others and experimenting and found something that worked and found a night and day difference.

Your videos aren’t the only source of information.

Again, you ought to consider how you respond to people in a your messages. Like the first person that responded, they were informative, not rude.

You imply intent. I was just being straight forward which is an autisic trait. It's the neurotypical who reads intent into things then get upset by it. It's exhausting to us. It's why we don't like this form of communication. The intent and how you took it is the problem with this form of media. I know who I am and I meant nothing rude at all. It is gaslighting.

You got a terrible reaction for MANY reasons and for you assume it's my credibility says a lot about you.
I assumed your high dose because it is how you worded your post. The splash of lemon was for microdosing which I say is what you should do first. No one on the internet says that. I give damn good advice.
Yes something wasn't working and it's not my advice that wasn't working. MANY things went wrong. You found one of many ways of fixing it.

You spoke with some people. Why did you not speak with me? Instead of assuming I was rude, why not answer with clarity, this was my actual dose, what went wrong? Do you realize I would have sat at this computer for hours trying to help you because knowing someone is suffering like that is why I made the channel.

Not only do I not think I am the only source, if I find other sources I tell viewers about them, thus another of your assumptions. I didn't assume you made 15 grams. I read what you wrote, that you did NOT. I have issue with that because you should and it's what I say to do. The splash of lemon is for a single microdose. You telling me I think I am the only source is abuse. Again with abuse.

Just because you have a good experience with one alternate way of prep doesn't mean what I teach is wrong. BTW, I didn't just interpret the data by myself. A good scientist reaches out and runs it past others. Which I did. And I am in communication with some of the top researchers in the field who are in agreement. I am not just some person who would throw that kind of information around.
I didn't trust random people on the internet, I studied the data for nearly 9 months before making the first of many videos on decarb.
Telling me how I ought to think about how I respond, again abusive.

I am blocking you although I would have loved to have been there for you. I don't deal wiht people who treat austic people like this or make the kinds of assumptions and accusations you do here.

[TheWay47]

I think you need to go back and review your videos, you’re mistaken on some of your so called advice. Now you question my character based on the fact that I disagree with your advice.

Seems to me that you’ve let this YouTube channel “celebrity” go to your head. Are you really using it to help people or to promote your envisioned all knowing celebrity status.

Bottom line is, based on your advice I had a poor reaction. You have a number of videos that lack thorough details on proper preparation.

I tried a different approach that worked no need to take this to heart. If you had approached me in a tactful manner this could have gone in a different direction, don’t hide behind the autism.

Your approach needs work own it.

Trying to help? How about trying to figure out what’s happening. Instead of telling me to reference your work in pretentious way when it caused the issues in the first place is what caused this conversation.

You’re not a MD, phd or specialist. You’re a lady over the Internet that obviously thinks they have all the answers.

I found something that worked that wasn’t your way, no need to be salty and lash out at me.